Ukrainian comms between infantry and artillery

It becomes less funny, more boring and unbelievably stupid. So I totally disagree with Ncscout in the point, that Donbass conflict is an example of how real doings is done. It’s an example of how absurdly war can be fight – and still provide some KIA boxes.

Important remark: in the current post-USSR lexis, ‘volunteer’ is civil activist, non-combatant, providing logistic (and social) support for poor-supplied armed forces. Those forces can be army units (also marine. airborne and so on), national guard units, Interior Ministry (police, not patrolmen, but army-like) units, and – volunteer combat units, later attached to army and police, but previously relatively independent, that fact allowed speculations about private armies etc.

gifts to the war - toys and body bags (Diana Makarova fund)

gifts to the war – toys and body bags (Diana Makarova fund)

Source: http://twower.livejournal.com/1918092.html / https://archive.is/Os08e

…near Debaltsevo calls for artillery support come through one civil volunteer, inter alia:

Of special note is quite surprising form of the artillery control, generated by this war. [I] seriously contend, that there were no way to call for heavy fire on the target of special importance, recognized with a high degree of certainty, through the headquarters of the sector. Head of sector artillery (they were changing every month and a half), did not know how to do it. But it was successfully done, and more than one time, through one “influential” in this regard, civilian volunteer! Fire of arty, subordinated to ATO command, was called and coordinated through completely civil people, using unexpected but working channels.

full http://twower.livejournal.com/1903992.html (also part of this is here: https://ironboundconcepts.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/piss-off-the-comms-we-are-at-war/ )

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– …In the critical moment, whet it was hard to hold positions without artillery support, I contacted through Alexey Mochanov with armed forces command. Further with artillery units commanders.

– It turns out, that with no help of Mochanov, who was volunteer in the given time, you, combat unit commander, cannot reach the headquarters?

– Not exactly. He connected me with the artillery units of the armed forces, which also lacked the Interior Ministry units. [Had not fully understand the phrase, it is unclear even in original – wtf, why army arty units need police units? – Goblin] But again, I contacted with Anti-Terroristic Center – i had only mobile comms [cellular service implied]. To pass information – solid problem. We coordinated with the commander of the anti-tank battery, he is artillerist. I gave him instructions, as I get the information that enemy vehicles are coming. He provided artillery support – adjusted arty fire. We worked together. Without the artillery support in that situation, perhaps, we would not come out [from besiegement of Debaltsevo – Goblin].

– That is, due to the fact that you contacted at the moment with the command, through command you contacted the artillery?

– Surely. 13th btn had its own artillery, but I had connection with them by radio too, and enemy enabled ”jammers” and connection was lost. …

via http://society.lb.ua/life/2016/03/02/328839_v_ato_ochen_tyanet_seychas_nuzhen.html

Remark on jammers – radios could be baofengs and jammers could be baofengs too. I even saw posts about this game on the radioscanner.ru, Russian analogue of radioreference.com, described separatists jamming punishers’s PMR devices (446 MHz) with baofengs.

Some of my own thoughts about Donbass conflict: it is very strange war. Working cellular service; transparent frontline; volunteer combatants from Ukraine and Russia – and refugees from Donbass, able men. And what the hell, if Donbass people rose to war facing harassment for Russian-speaking citizens – why we see volunteer combatants born in the Donbass, fighting on the pro-Kiev side?

Such an interesting times we live in.

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5 thoughts on “Ukrainian comms between infantry and artillery

  1. “So I totally disagree with Ncscout in the point, that Donbass conflict is an example of how real doings is done.”

    I believe you misunderstand me, my Eastern Brother. I don’t mean in my commentary on the topic that this is how communications should be done, but rather how they are being done.

    In that, my counterparts here need to observe these shortcomings closely, understand them, and rectify them now before they begin to cost lives.

    Your links and commentary are fantastic, and give an insight into the conflict virtually unavailable elsewhere in the West.

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  2. Reblogged this on brushbeater and commented:
    I believe you misunderstand me, my Eastern Brother. I don’t mean in my commentary on the topic that this is how communications should be done, but rather how they are being done.

    In that, my counterparts here need to observe these shortcomings closely, understand them, and rectify them now before they begin to cost lives.

    Your links and commentary are fantastic, and give an insight into the conflict virtually unavailable elsewhere in the West.

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    • Thank you for your patience, my Western Brother! I failed making my message clearly ironic. The point I’m trying to imply – these stories must be strictly and in detail criticized, so all mistakes and, m-m, underestimation will be obvious. No-o, not criticized! Punished with no pity and no mercy!

      However, they are already punished – as you said, in the terms they cost lives.

      Update
      And even more to say… these stories are an example of how things happen, agree. But they happen despite and contrary to participants’ effort! It does not fit in my head %)

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  3. <<>> Udenrat and jewish_police.
    http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/this_month/resources/jewish_police.asp

    Example – known thief and a swindler Konstantin Grishin – he is the founder of the battalion Donbass Semen Semenchenko. To the Crimea for a long time played separatist. He told that he fought in Chechnya in a special detachment of FSB. Appeared Girkin – became a patriot of Ukraine. It was more cost effective. US citizen Poplawski was killed in action demanding a report of 200 000 $ collected Ukrainians USA.

    There is a civil war. In the separatists negotiations usually less pure Russian language than the Ukrainian army

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    • Что ты мне объясняешь, соотечественник 🙂 На обеих сторонах сражаются не просто русскоговорящие, на обеих сторонах сражается население Донбасса.

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